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"hardball." ♪ >>> i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with this. why is john mccain so angry? 40 years after the vietnam p.o.w.s came home, the most famous of them is angrier than ever. why is america, why are we fighting the vietnam war all over again in the united states senate? the ticked off vitriol against chuck hagel. what is it about is? is it for show? is it about something hagel said in the cloakroom? is it the unfairness of vietnam itself that some went and sond didn't. is it about johnson's inability to win that war or end it. what burns so deeply in john mccain these days? it seems to excite those who knew nothing about vietnam but want to replay it. we big into the deep well of resentment purning in john mccain's patriotic heart. a resentment not against the north vietnamese who imprisoned and tr toured him all those years, no the against george w. bush and his political henchmen who tried to stain mccain's reputation back in 2000, but against a guy who fought against fear and ralliesed against wounds just like he did in the same army of america's long nightmare in v
the money. >> john mccain chuck hagel lots of drama. >> comedy before the superbowl weekend and nobody found it funny. >> the can we say is were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straight forward question. i would like the answer whether you were right or wrong and then you are free to elaborate. >> michael hastings, you have something for us about football, don't you? >> yes in advance of superbowl weekend, no one found it funny. >> what about gay guys, any approach you? >> i don't do the gay guys. >> are there any on the 49ers? >> lots of drama between chuck hagel and john mccain. and it's go time. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> all right. the big story of the day today has to do with the excel key stone pipeline. it's been coming up again and again. the obama administration has refused to sign the permits to allow for the complete construction of the pipeline. for those of you who don't know what it is, it's a $7 billion project that would pump more than 800,000-barrels of toxic tar sands crude each day from alberta through america's agricultural heart lands to remainries in the gulf. environment
news led by i guess the king kong. what is it in white elephant? john mccain who has nothing possibly better to do besides become a total media whore and just continue to be like i am going to find reasons to get on television and get mad. you know he started up on hagel. we are going to get to that. before but i really think chuck hagel has a couple of outstanding moments. he had some rough ones too. >> he did. >> he had some rough ones. >> it was not a flawness hearing hearing. >> i am not going to say it's all roses. there was some dob pooh in there, too. let's take at listen to his opening start. >> i am on the record. i am on the record on many issues. but no one individual, no one individual quote, no individual statement defines me. >> i love that. i think he really did a good job of sort of crystalizing what it is his job is. you know, when you are secretary of defense, yes, you are part of the decision-making team for the national security in this country. but at the end of the day, you don't operate in a vacuum. you know, you operat
featuring senator john mccain talking to senator hagel about the comments he made about the surge in iraq. >> will you please answer the question? were you correct or incorrect when he said that the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since the vietnam? were you correct or incorrect? >> my reference -- >> are you answering the question? that is a pretty straightforward question. i would like an answer on whether you're right or wrong. you're free to elaborate than. >> i am not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> let the record show that you refuse to answer that question. please go ahead. >> if you like me to explain why a -- >> i act like an answer. >> i will not give you a yes or no. it is far more complicated to that. i will defer my judgment to history. as to the comment i made about the most dangerous foreign policy decision since vietnam, it was about not just the search but the overall tour of choice going into iraq. -- war of choice going into iraq. that particular decision made on the search, but more to the point, or war in iraq, i think
. >> let me get this straight. you think the whole yes or no back and forth between john mccain and chuck hagel on the 2007 iraq surge was actually par for the course, that that was -- >> in fact, kind of interesting, right? >> in terms of a psychodrama. >> the republican party was over the iraq war, where they are attacking him as for opposing the iraq war. >> it's not that i don't think we can talk about the iraq war or the war in afghanistan for that matter, but the notion that you should have a yes or no answer to the iraq surge, which in many ways -- john mccain thinks the history books have been written on this. i believe -- >> no, it's still an open debate. absolutely. >> it's ongoing. we still -- >> people did vote against the iraq surge. that seems to be a totally relevant thing to talk about now. >> i think the iraq surge is relevant. i think asking for a yes or no answer on it seems particularly short-sighted. >> not defending that. >> in the "new york times" there is an op ed that says the senators, especially republicans, did a poor job of drawing substance out of the moment,
is a comment from john mccain. >> members of this committee will raise questions reflecting concerns with your policy position. they're not reasonable people disagreeing. they are fundamental disagreements. >> john: that's the man who thought sarah palin was qualified to be leader of the free world. are his position really far out from mainstream on capitol hill. >> the first thing bewildering was that it was not that long ago that john mccain was running for president and suggesting that chuck hagel would make a great secretary of defense. if there is anyone who has turned on his previous beliefs i don't think it's chuck hagel. the interesting thing hagel has been endorsed by dozens of retired generals admirals. the views of being an honest broker to find a solution to the two-state israel-palestine conflict and the pentagon reform needs to be on the table that we have more nuclear weapons than we need in the 21st century. those are all very mainstream views among national security experts and the american people at large. what is going on here is you have some republicans not trying to redef
to know that his problems were going to come from john mccain, ted cruz, lindsey graham, and a couple of the other republican conservatives. it just seemed to go completely off track. not the confirmation, but the performance. >> well, here's what happened. he was bad. i mean, there's no other kind of way to put it. these things -- these public kwurmation hearings are at least part performance, andrea, and i would argue they're mostly performance, and you are right. he just seemed sort of ill equipped to manage it. only thing i could think of was this. strategically speaking. chuck hagel and his people decided going into this that, yes, he had a few issues, but they had already sort of been publicly litigated and had proven to be not disqualifying. that is, he had got tony this point. therefore, he should just take sort of a passive stance, let ted cruz, let john mccain, let them lecture him sort of be apologetic and say i did the best i that i could, but not go on the attack, not be aggressive, be under the theory that if nothing else came out that ultimately the republican senators
questioning about his job. there was questioning by john mccain about the surge in iraq. >> or you correct or incorrect when you say it -- when you said that the search would be the most dangerous foreign-policy disaster sense the non? the question is right or wrong. i would like the answer of whether you are right or wrong and then you are free to elaborate. >> i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> let the record show that you refused to answer the question. >> if you would like me to explain, -- >> i actually would like an answer. >> what else did we learn from today's hearing a short time ago? he did not do the best job of defending himself. >> no, it was a fractious hearing and pointless. he referred to the government of iran as legitimately elected. he apologized for saying that israel had arranged a slaughter of its enemies. he was defending his views on iran. on israel, they think he is not friendly enough. in the end, i don't think we learned a lot about him, really. in the past, he had expressed traditionally dovish liberal foreign policy positions even though he used t
republicans say show he is not the right hand it. hagel refused to give senator john mccain and direct statement -- answered. >> please answer the question. were you correct or incorrect when he said that the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam? where you correct or incorrect? yes or no? >> my reference to -- >> answer the question wellesz senator hagel. the question is storywriter wrong? that is a pretty straightforward question. >> the nominee said that referred to his feelings about the war in general and not just the surgeon took heat about his work with 00. hagel was as defeat is anti-american nukes. >> the position of 00, my position that certain individuals, nestle security leaders have talked about including himself, it has never been unilateral disarmament, ever. never. >> hagel backtracked on his comment about the political power of the jewish lobby. >> i should have used another term, and i'm sorry. i regretted. the use of intimidation, i should have used influence. i think that would have been a more appropriate term. >> co
't help, of course, is that his former good friend, john mccain, just eviscerated him, grilled him, didn't give him a chance. yes or no. give me an answer. were you correct or incorrect? i mean, there is a way to try to do that, but clearly he came with a very hostile attitude. and it was very painful to watch. >> yeah. awkward at times. >> i mean, john mccain, mika, didn't let him answer a question. i'm sorry, out of that exchange, it was not chuck hagel who looked bad. >> ted cruz looked even worse. >> yeah. >> oh, my god. >> we're going to show all those coming up. >> he wasn't prepared, mika, in a lot of ways that were concerning. i think, again, the democrats, republicans, independents alike, if the republicans party thinks badgering an ill-prepared witness that way is going to help them with middle america, they don't know middle america. they could have just let him talk around in circles, but it was -- you know, you talk about the new senator from texas, john mccain -- >> i agree with you. >> as joe manchin said, it was embarrassing. >> compare it to a week ago, to a very prepare
, pure and simple. from the mouths of john mccain and lindsey graham as they slashed away at war hero hagel. badgering the witness is too nice a description. the hawks swirled like buzzards sweeping down, pecking and pulling at the skin of a former colleague who dared to say this country's been too ready to enter wars the american people quickly wish we'd never gotten into. what's with this hatred now centered in the american sunbelt? what do we make of this poll that shows two out of three texas republicans now want our president impeached? why the cussedness, why the range war, why the hatred of anyone who dares to stand with obama? why can't politics be a matter of belief and honest disagreement, not hatred? why the sick little intramurals we saw today? we begin with senator jeanne shaheen of new hampshire. i want you to watch this back-and-forth between john mccain and the witness today, chuck hagel. let's take a look. >> were you correct or incorrect when you said that the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam? were you correct or
by a slim margin. one of the most damages remarks came from john mccain over the iraq troop surge. >> would you please answer the question. were you correct or incorrect when you said the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam. were you correct or incorrect? yes or no? >> my reference to -- >> are you answering the question, senator hagel? the question is were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straightforward question. i want you to answer whether you were right or wrong and then u you're free to elaborate. >> i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer to a lot of things. >> let the record show he refuses to answer that question. >> with us now is washington chief correspondent and host of "face the nation," bob schieffer. bob, good morning. i think they were disappointed. they usually press their nominees. >> well, thankfully -- and let's not forget, chuck hagel was the co-chairman of john mccain's presidential campaign when john mccain ran the first time. this is stunning. but i agree with you. i mean generally on something like this w
with john mccain who apparently is convinced at this point in his life the most seminal event in u.s. history was not the constitutional convention, concord, lexington or-- it was the surge. and where you stood on the surge. >> woodruff: in iraq. >> in iraq that determines whether, in fact, you are a visionary or a retrograde. but i was-- it was a lousy performance by chuck hagel. he obviously decided he wasn't going get confrontational. when ted cruz, the junior senator from texas basically accused him of dishonesty, raised questions about his honor, and-- the idea that chuck hagel, that david and i know didn't say wait a minute, you know, and he did at the last question, i'm out of time now but let me ask you about this about your speeches and what you reported and didn't report. i mean at that point chuck hagel says let me tell you, you know, you've just raised a question, i don't care about time or time being out this is my time to tell you, you know, that you are absolutely wrong and-- and that was just missing completely. >> woodruff: so there is some reporting that hagel thi
beginning with john mccain who apparently is convinced at this point in his life the most seminal event in u.s. history was not the constitutional convention concord lexington or-- it was the surge. and where you stood on the surge. >> woodruff: in iraq. >> in iraq that determines whether in fact you are a visionary or a retrograde. but i was-- it was a lousy performance by chuck hagel. he obviously decided he wasn't going get confrontational. when ted cruz, the junior senator from texas basically accused him of dishonesty raised questions about his honor, and-- the idea that chuck hagel that david and i know didn't say wait a minute you know and he did at the last question i'm out of time now but let me ask you about this about your speeches and what you reported and didn't report. i mean at that point chuck hagel says let me tell you you know, you've just raised a question, i don't care about time or time being out this is my time to tell you, you know, that you are absolutely wrong and-- and that was just missing completely. >> woodruff: so there is some reporting that hagel this is a del
for senator charlie hagel. >> reporter: john mccain seized on hagel's opposition to the surge in iraq. >> the question is, are we right or wrong? that's a pretty straightforward question. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> reporter: over his 2008 comments related to israel that a quote jewish lobby intimidate a lot of people in congress. >> name one person in your opinion who is intimidated by the israeli lobby in the united states senate. >> well, first -- >> name one. >> i don't know. >> reporter: hagel was repeatedly pressed by both democrats and republicans to make clear this point on israel. >> i strongly support israel. >> reporter: and clarified his stan on iran. >> by the way, i've just been handed a note that i misspoke. >> reporter: hagel said he fully backs the president's position that iran cannot be allowed to get nuclear weapons and says the u.s. should talk to iran. >> that was nbc's kelly o'donnell. >>> los angeles archbishop has taken action against his predecessor. the official action was taken in response to the priest's abuse scandal and reco
did not stop there. john mccain held him accountable for not supporting the surge in iraq. >> in an interview 2011, in an interview with the financial times you said i disagreed with the president obama his decision to surge in iraq as i did with president bush on the surge in iraq. do you stand by those comments, senator hagel? >> senator, i stand by them because i made them. >> were you correct in your assessment? >> what i would refer to the judgment of history. >> deserves your judgment whether you were right or wrong about the surge? >> i'll explain why i made those comments. >> i want to whether or not they were right or wrong? >> the surge assisted in the objective. if we review the record. >> please answer the question. were you correct or incorrect when you said that the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam, were you correct or incorrect? >> my reference to -- >> the question is were you right or wrong. that is a pretty straightforward question. i would like you to answer whether you were right or wrong and free to
clinton, john mccain, joe biden, and newt gingrich were falling all over themselves to express their support for israel. the only exception to that rule was senator chuck hagel. i don't have anything to go with that with what you might have said but -- some of the concerns -- i used to say when i was the whip in the house you can count on the house and the senate to be among other thing, always pro-israel. i think that is the main stream of our views. i've seen a number of times that you've said you can be pro-israel but that does not mean you have to be for everything that israel is for. they are what they are. they are reported from comments that you made that are out of the context of the other comments. also, earlier today, i asked you about the bloated pentagon. you said that -- those comments were before the sequestration bill passed. they were after the bill passed. sequestration passed on august 2 and the interview was on august 29. what you said on august 29 of -- in that "financial times" interview you said "the defense department, i think -- this is your quote "the d
vietnam veterans john mccain and hagel were mavericks in the senate. in 2000 hagel co-chaired mccain's campaign. he was only one of a handful of senators who endorsed him and at a town hall in nashua, new hampshire, mccain even floated this possibility -- >> as far as secretary of defense is concerned, there's a lot of people that could do that. one of them i think is senator chuck hagel. >> but yesterday the air in the hearing room was thick. maybe it was bitterness. we don't know. mccain may feel about his old friend as mccain hammered hagel for the opposition to the 2007 troop surge in iraq. >> were you correct or incorrect, yes or no? >> my reference to the surge being -- >> are you going to anxious the question, senator hagel? the question is, were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straightforward question. >> well, i'm not going to give you a -- a yes-or-no answer on a lot of things. >> let the record show you refused to answer that question. >> by the way, incoming secretary of state john kerry who glided through his nomination hearing was also opposed to the iraq surge.
enlightenment into action causing vose to honor our ideas as a nation. >>> john mccain's 2000 campaign when he ran for president is the most memorable campaign of any that i've ever covered or banaa around. i mean, it was just we will never see it again and the hearing was facing george w. bush who headed the republican party backing him and the republican governors in new hampshire and all the money and john mccain held 114 town meetings. he stayed there until every question was answered. you see the light of all going on people's head when are we going to get the people's rights and he's a we are not going to get the people's vote of right if it isn't funded by insurance companies and next question. refreshing candor to people's responses and then he was totally open to the press. there's a candle in the open as and a sort of welcome mess that no one had seen before and no one certainly have seen since. >>> both houses of congress are back next weekend with the 113th congress now under way we are taking a quick look at a few of the new members from texas. republican senator ted cruz replaced
attack today on hagel's judgment. john mccain seized on hagel's vocal opposition to the surge of troops in iraq in 2007. >> the question, senator hagel, the question is, were you right or wrong. that's a pretty straightforward question. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> reporter: hagel knew he who damage control to do. >> i should have used another term, and i'm sorry. >> reporter: over his 2008 comments related to israel that a, quote, jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people in congress. >> name one person, in your opinion, who is intimidated by the israeli lobby in the united states senate. >> well, first -- >> name one. >> i don't know. >> reporter: outside the hearing, senators of both parties were critical. >> i'm going to be candid. i think that chuck hagel is much more comfortable asking questions than answering them. >> i don't think it's going very well. >> reporter: hagel was repeatedly pressed by both democrats and republicans to make clear his commitment to israel's security. >> i strongly support israel. >> reporter: and clarify his stand on iran. h
. the president's nominee to replace leon panetta as defense secretary. kelly o'donnell has more. >> john mccain seized on hagel's vocal opposition to the surge of troops in iraq in 2007. >> the question is were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straight forward question. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> over his 2008 comments related to israel that a "jewish lobby," "intimidates a lot of people in congress." >> name one person in your opinion who is intimidated by the israeli lobby in the united states senate. >> well, first -- >> name one. >> i don't know. >> hagel was repeatedly pressed by both democrats and republicans to make clear his commitment to israel's security. >> i strongly support israel. >> and clarify his stand on iran. he incorrectly referred to the policy on iran and nuclear weapons as containment. >> i've just been handed a note that i misspoke. >> reporter: he said he fully backs the president's position that iran cannot be allowed to get nuclear weapons and says the u.s. should talk to iran. >> that's kelly o'donnell reporting. >>> three stories th
, a statement challenged by senator john mccain. >> were you correct in your assessment? >> well, i would defer to the judgment of history to sort that out. >> i think the committee deserves your judgment as to whether you were right or wrong about the surge? >> i'll explain why i made those comments... >> i want to know if you were right or wrong. that's a direct question. i expect a direct answer. >> reporter: hagel explained he opposed the surge because it cost 1,200 lives for a temporary victory. hagel, a former infantry soldier wounded twice in the vietnam war, said every war decision made in washington should consider the soldier first. >> i saw the consequences and the suffering and the horror of war, so i did question a surge. i always ask the question, "is this going to be worth the sacrifice?" because there will be sacrifice. >> reporter: but that was one of the few times hagel rebutted a direct question. he avoided explaining policy positions so often, republicans complained he hadn't answered basic questions. the administration fired back, scott, saying republicans had focused on tr
colleagues, including senator john mccain. that exchange is about an hour and a half into the hearing. later, we will get your thoughts about the nomination and hearing on our phone lines at 11:00 p.m. eastern, 8:00 pacific. carl levin chairs the armed services committee and makes the opening statement. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> good morning, everybody. the committee meets today to consider the nomination of former senator chuck hagel to be secretary of defense. before i begin, i want to first welcome senator inhofe as the new ranking republican on our committee, succeeding senator mccain. senator mccain has been a great partner over the past six years, and i thank him for all the work he has done to get bills enacted, his leadership on a host of issues, his support for the work of this committee, and for always keeping our hearings likely. -- lively. senator inhofe has shown his strong commitment to the national defense over his 20 years on this committee. and i know that we are going to work well toge
to know how has john mccain can question this man like he is not too good. another thing, they are only doing this because of who the president is. they are open with that. host: we will leave it there. guest: i think john mccain -- i think what you see is a real passion for the issues that he was questioning him about. he is a passionate man. he is someone who cares deeply and that was evident yesterday. i think he is someone who takes things personally and very much to heart. and again, the iraq war was something he felt acutely and was very outspoken on and has been throughout the execution of that war. i think you could see that yesterday. host: she is a senior adviser for the center for studies. if you want to watch senator hagel's hearing in total, i invite you to go to our c-span video library at www.c- span.org. thank you very much. coming up, it is our regular look at america by the numbers. they will look at how americans across the country are doing financially. we will be right back. >> my cartoons depict native humor. when i first started this cartoon, they were native cha
" is on sunday at 10:00 p.m. earn. -- eastern. >> john mccain's 2000 campaign when he ran for president was the most memorable that i've ever covered. we'll never see it again. here he was facing george w. bush who had the republican party backing him and the three republican governors and new hampshire and all the money and john mccain went out and held 114 town meetings. he stayed there until every question was answered. you saw the light bulb go over people's heads. as long as my party is owned by the insurance companies. next question. it was this refreshing candor. you see in the people's responses. then he was open to the press. i mean, it because candor and openness and a welcomeness that no one had seen before and no one had seen since. >> political analyst mark shields on his career in politics and the washington press corps sunday night at 8:00 on c-span's "ea a. >> a baurp grout of senators outline their plan for changing the immigration laws. >> i would like to thank their willingness to host this event and i hope you look into the opportunities they offer to young professio
. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> john mccain's 2000 campaign when he ran for president is the most memorable campaign of any that i have ever covered. i mean it was just, we will never see it again and here he was you know facing george w. bush who had all the face cards of the republican party backing him and the three republican governors in new hampshire and all the money and john mccain held 114 and he stayed there until every question was answered. you could see the lightbulb going off in people's heads. when will we get the patients bill of rights and john mccain would say we are going to get a patients bill of rights. the democrats are owned by the trial orders. next question. it was just refreshing candor and you would see it in people's response and then he was totally open to the press. i mean there was a candor and openness and a welcome is that no one had seen before and no one certainly have seen since. >> now secretary of state hillary clinton on the u.s. role in the world. she's at the council of foreign relations today for now and will meet
vietnam veteran and fellow republican. john mccain asking hagel to admit he was wrong when he opposed the surge to the 30,000 troops to iraq in 2007. >> if you would like me to explain. >> i'd like an answer. yes or no. >> i'm not going to give you a question or no. it's par mu complicated than. thatly defer that judgment to history. >> history already made a judgment on the surge and you are on the wrong side of it. >> shepard: democrats defended him. >> i never had the pleasure of serving with you, which i wish i would have. we had a great conversation. you bring a fresh, breath of fresh air, truly a breath of fresh air to the process. >> if confirms senator hagel will be the first vietnam veteran and first enlisted soldier of any kind to be the defense secretary. >> he asked him to look at the entire record. mike emanuel on capitol hill tonight and some comments are getting more attention tonight. >> that is right. senator chuck hagel had a lot to defend and those close to him say it was a long day and it was not perfect. one line o grilling past comments he made sounding sympathet
of the most contentious moments came when senator john mccain asked whether the 2007 surge troop in iraq was successful. >> the question is, were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straightforward question. i would like you to answer whether you are right or wrong and then you are free to elaborate. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer on a lot of things. >> let the record show that you refuse to answer that question. now, please go ahead. >> well, if you would like me to explain why -- >> no, i actually would like an answer. yes or no. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no. >> another hot topic at the hearing today, it was a 2006 interview that hagel gave to former middle east peace negotiator, erin david miller. now, in that interview, hagel said this. "the jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here." now, today of that comment about the "jewish lobby," hagel said categorically, i regret it. >> i've already said i regret referencing the jewish lobby. i should have said pro-israel lobby. i think it's the only time on the record that i've ever said that.
will be hearing from several of us with requests. the hearing is adjourned. [inaudible conversations] >> john mccain's 2000 campaign when he ran for president as the most memorable campaign of any that i have ever covered or been around. i mean it was just -- we will never see it again and here he was facing george w. bush to head off of face cards of the republican party backing him in the three republican governors of new hampshire and all the money and john mccain went out and held 114 town meetings. he stayed there until every question was answered. you would see the lightbulbs going off on people's heads. when will we get the patients bill of rights and john mccain would say we will never get a patients bill of rights as long as my party is on by the insurance company and the democrats are on by the trial lawyers. and it was just this refreshing candor and you could see it in people's responses. he. he was totally open to the press there was a candor and an openness and a welcome this that no one had seen before and no si. now secretary of state hillary clinton on the u.s. role in the world. sh
an atlantic council discussion on the situation in mali. >> john mccain's 2000 campaign when he ran for president is the most memorable campaign. i mean, of any that i've ever covered or been around. i mean, it was just -- we'll never, we'll never see it again. i mean, here he was, you know, facing george w. bush who had all the face cards of the republican party backing him, and the three republican governors in new hampshire and all the money, and john mccain went out and held 114 town meetings, and he stayed there until every or question was answered. and you'd see people, you'd see the lightbulb going off over people's head. when are we going to get the patient's bill of rights? and john mccain would say we're not going to get a patient's bill of rights as long as my party's owned by the trial lawyers. it was just this refreshing candor, and you'd see it in people's responses. and then he was totally open to the press. i mean, there was a candor and an opennesses and sort of a welcomeness that no one had seen before, and no one certainly has seen since. >> longtime columnist and
friend, arizona senator john mccain made clear, they haven't forgotten. >> were you correct or incorrect when you said that the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam? were you correct or incorrect, yes or no? >> my reference to the surge being the most dangerous. >> are you going to answer the question, senator hagel? the question is were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straightforward question. i would like an answer on whether you were right or wrong, then you're free to elaborate. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer on a lot of things. >> well let the record show that you refused to answer the question. now please go ahead. >> well, if you'd like me to explain why ... >> i'd actually like an answer, yes or no? >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no. i think it's far more complicated than that, as i've already said. my answer is i'll defer that judgment to history. as to the comment i made about >> i think history has already made a judgment about the surge, sir, and you're on the wrong side of it. and your
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